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    The Future in Trucking?

    Truckers think automation won’t take their jobs for 40 years. Silicon Valley strongly disagrees.

    As far as most truckers can tell, the danger of losing their jobs to robots is still a long, long way off.

    'I don’t have a single member who’s ready to buy a bunch of automated trucks even if they could,” says R. J. Cervantes, whose California Trucking Association represents fleet owners in the state. “Everything needs to be sorted out. It’s still in its infancy.” Comments in online trucker forums point out the myriad difficulties of long-distance transport sure to foil computers.

    But Silicon Valley sees these as mere speed bumps. “Three years, at most,” says one venture investor in autonomous vehicle technology, estimating the time before such commercial trucks hit the road, who asked to remain anonyous because of involvement in several companies.

    The disconnect about the timing for the arrival of such technology, and the political forces it may unleash, reveals a massive split in how the groups believe the transport industry will evolve. Viewed from one angle, the truckers have a point. There are regulatory hurdles to clear. Social acceptance of autonomous 18-wheelers on highways is not assured. City streets are tough to navigate. Who pumps the gas?

    For engineers and investors in the Valley, these seem like speed bumps. Market forces make the rapid deployment of an automated trucking industry almost an inevitability. US truck transport, says freight company Flexport, can double its output for less than half the cost just with partial automation. The technology is nearly ready for highways. A convoy of self-driving trucks drove themselves across Europe in April, and the first driverless delivery in the US dropped off 21,000 cases of Budweiser in Colorado Springs, Colorado this October.

    Even more importantly, the assumption that today’s trucking companies will be tomorrow’s is probably wrong. The US trucking industry has few dominant players, and most survive on thin margins, so there is little appetite for splashing out on new technology. That implies new companies can enter the market, scale quickly and enjoy steep cost advantages—think Uber or Airbnb. Incremental automation will pick off the most profitable (and predictable) routes first, then expand across the country. Over time, it will reduce demand for drivers and drive down wages, and steadily displace existing players. The economics of the $700 billion trucking industry may change irrevocably. Once total automation arrives, the corporate landscape may start to resemble retail, where two players—Walmart and Amazon—dominate.

    Roy Bahat, head of the venture capital firm Bloomberg Beta, is worried truckers aren’t preparing for a future that’s coming sooner than they think. He’s held focus groups with truckers as part of the Shift Commission on Work, Workers, and Technology to understand how technology will transform the lives of workers and nature of work. During discussions in Columbus, Ohio, he said, truckers guessed real job losses wouldn’t hit them for another 40 years or more, and wages would stay high. “They’re not opponents of tech, but it might be a failure of imagination,” he says.

    The stakes are high. Investors and researchers disagree on the exact timing, but most agree on one thing: automation will arrive in years, not decades. The technology could ultimately replace 1.7 million American trucking jobs—trucking was the most common job in 28 states in 2014—yet only create a fraction of new positions. The pay for whatever trucking jobs remain may fade from the current average annual wage of $42,500. Next up: 1.7 million taxi, bus and delivery vehicle drivers.

    The forces may hit hardest in states where economic populism is already on the rise: there’s strong overlap between the electoral map showing Donald Trump wins in the presidential election, and a map showing states where truck driving is the most common job. As automation erodes middle-class incomes, even as it grows wealth overall, the 2016 election may end up a prelude of the political upheaval to come.




    http://qz.com/854117/truckers-think-...gly-disagrees/


    IMO... I just can't vision a fully autonomous vehicle becoming a reality in the near future... just too many variables involved and obstacles to overcome. And if it would ever come to a point of having a major impact on trucking job losses... it sure won't be in 3 years...20 maybe?

    Now... for the future in tractor trailers themselves:




    Nikola Motor unveils its hydrogen fuel cell 18-wheeler


    Company has accepted reservations totaling nearly $3 billion in future truck orders

    Startup Nikola Motor Co. unveiled a hydrogen fuel-cell powered 18-wheel tractor trailer truck that will have a range of 800 to 1,200 miles on a fill-up, which is nearly double that of any other semi-truck on the road.

    The custom-built, hydrogen-electric, 800-volt fuel cell 18-wheeler, is a class 8 rig that will have up to 2,000 horse power and be able to haul 80,000 lbs., more powerful than any other production diesel truck on the road, the company said.

    In May, the company announced that its first class 8 semi-truck would be an all-electric vehicle, but in August said it was instead developing a transport powered with a hydrogen fuel cell.

    The Nikola One will retail for $375,000, nearly double the price for a standard diesel semi-trailer.

    To spur adoption, the company is also offering enough free hydrogen for each purchased truck to travel 1 million miles.

    The Nikola One will also be offered through a leasing program that will cost from $5,000 to $7,000 a month, depending on the configuration and options a customer chooses. It will also include unlimited miles and hydrogen fuel, and a warranty and scheduled maintenance during a 72-month term. In August, the company had said the leasing program would cost from $4,000 to $5,000 a month.

    At no additional cost, owners can trade in their Nikola One for a new one every 72 months or 1 million miles, whichever comes first.

    To date, Nikola Motor has accepted reservations totaling nearly $3 billion in future orders, it said.

    'Nikola will build a world-class advanced manufacturing facility which will create thousands of new jobs," said Nikola founder and CEO Trevor Milton.

    'Nikola is currently in discussions with several states to decide who to partner with in its effort to reduce America's dependence on fossil fuels, advance green energy and revolutionize the trucking industry. The location of the Nikola Motor manufacturing facility will be determined in the first half of 2017," Milton said.

    At the same time that Milton unveiled the Nikola One, he also outlined the company's plan to develop a network of 364 hydrogen fueling stations across the U. S. and Canada. Nikola plans to begin construction of its hydrogen fueling stations in January 2018.

    In conjunction with the fueling stations, Nikola Motor is in the process of developing multiple 100-megawatt solar farms to create hydrogen from electrolysis, the process of separating hydrogen from water, „making it the only fuel that is zero emission from production to consumption.”

    The hydrogen will be transported from the Nikola solar farms to Nikola hydrogen stations by a fleet of Nikola One trucks, running on zero-emission, electric-hydrogen power trains.

    The hydrogen is stored at Nikola stations in liquid form, and then dispensed into vehicles as compressed or liquid hydrogen. From energy creation to energy consumption, the entire process is 100% emissions free.

    All non-Nikola vehicles can fill up at any Nikola Hydrogen Station for $3.50 per kilogram of hydrogen.

    Nikola announced it has also partnered with Ryder Systems Inc. to provide nationwide maintenance at 800 locations across North America, the cost of which is included with leased vehicles.

    'With a range of up to 1,200 miles, we have you (and the entire country) covered," the company stated.

    http://www.computerworld.com/article...8-wheeler.html

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    I would like to see am automated truck do an inside delivery 4th floor no elevator or a residential delivery 3rd floor of a triple decker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gillholey View Post
    I would like to see am automated truck do an inside delivery 4th floor no elevator or a residential delivery 3rd floor of a triple decker.
    What happens in a snow/icy conditions? I can see a lot of lawsuits & bankruptcy in their future...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gillholey View Post
    I would like to see am automated truck do an inside delivery 4th floor no elevator or a residential delivery 3rd floor of a triple decker.
    These trucks could never navigate the city & do residentials, and who is going to load them? I don't see this affecting Ltl anytime soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gillholey View Post
    I would like to see am automated truck do an inside delivery 4th floor no elevator or a residential delivery 3rd floor of a triple decker.
    Or better yet. Show me how the computer taking place of the driver is going to throw a set of chains on an axle? Wonder who is gonna crawl out of the motherboard hop down & throw them chains? Will it be Ram, or maybe Rom? Either way I will pay good money to see that happen. von.

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    I can't wait to see it open a set of swing doors to back in the dock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GO40 View Post
    These trucks could never navigate the city & do residentials, and who is going to load them? I don't see this affecting Ltl anytime soon...
    Maybe not city operations but it seems tailor made for linehaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joes Bar and Grill View Post
    Maybe not city operations but it seems tailor made for linehaul.
    You might be right. But a challenge. How many ways can we find that the no driver big rig won't work? If you see another company truck broke down on the side of the road, Will you stop help. Would the computer? Did the computer see the broke down truck? It takes to 2 drivers to reset the load & re strap it down on the deck of the flatbed. Can the computer? Come on now. Who has another reason? von.

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    I don't see it being driverless per se, but I do see a driver making minimum wage to babysit and do the things that it can't do. I see it coming in baby steps until we finally reach total autonomy. I also see it driving down wages in the not too distant future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joes Bar and Grill View Post
    Maybe not city operations but it seems tailor made for linehaul.
    You are right Joe, that's where it will come first. That is also the most expensive overhead of an LTL company so it will likely be implemented there first. The line haul driver will sit in the truck while it drives itself to the exit, he will then take control and navigate to the center where he breaks the set and hook the next set. It will essentially be an autopilot set up. The same way modern pilots take off and land, then pass the controls to the CPU.

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